Curse

MithranArkanere · Mar 25, 2008, 12:51 PM // 12:51

It would be nice to have another quests in the Heart of Abaddon.

After taking Razah, you can go back there to find the Envoys.
Then as in a 'trial by fire', you fight them to defend the cause of Varesh, Shiro, Rurik and other NPCs tainted and deceived by Abaddon's power.

Once defeated, The Vizier has to stay there for a while due to his sins, but the rest are free and can go to the Mysts...

...or maybe even follow you.

RiKio · Mar 25, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

The Vizier was corrupted too.

/notsigned, after all. That would be the biggest e-peen ever.

MithranArkanere · Mar 25, 2008, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Razah was also special nd no one goes around with him in the Prmeval armor as an ePeen.

I use Xandra, by the way, xD

RiKio · Mar 25, 2008, 08:53 PM // 20:53

Razah isnt a god-like character.

Captain Miken · Mar 25, 2008, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by RiKio

Razah isnt a god-like character.

Razah was supposed to be an x/x profession hero that made it out of the Mists.

But then ANet failed.

RiKio · Mar 25, 2008, 09:07 PM // 21:07

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Originally Posted by Captain Miken

Razah was supposed to be an x/x profession hero that made it out of the Mists.

But then ANet failed.

No. His quotes are epic. Also, I think a X/X hero....well.. wouldnt be a good idea.

MithranArkanere · Mar 25, 2008, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by RiKio

Razah isnt a god-like character.

Shiro isn't either. He was an envoy, but he quit and became a living human again... and then a dead spirit and... well... anything far from a god.

Razah is... hm... something more like demons.

Konig Des Todes · Mar 25, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

It would be nice to have another quests in the Heart of Abaddon.

After taking Razah, you can go back there to find the Envoys.
Then as in a 'trial by fire', you fight them to defend the cause of Varesh, Shiro, Rurik and other NPCs tainted and deceived by Abaddon's power.

Once defeated, The Vizier has to stay there for a while due to his sins, but the rest are free and can go to the Mysts...

...or maybe even follow you.

Rurik wasn't tainted by Abaddon's power...

And Razah is a demon, not "like a demon" :P

RiKio · Mar 25, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Shiro isn't either. He was an envoy, but he quit and became a living human again... and then a dead spirit and... well... anything far from a god.

Sorry. I meant Shiro, Varesh and the rest are cool, because they are end-game enemies. Razah isnt.

Konig Des Todes · Mar 25, 2008, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by RiKio

Sorry. I meant Shiro, Varesh and the rest are cool, because they are end-game enemies. Razah isnt.

Varesh isn't an endgame enemy. You kill her on the 4th to last mission, not the last. She is the same as Kuunavang and Glint, a main boss before the final boss.

Artorius.Maximus · Mar 25, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08

While I have pretty much no opinion on the subject (Sin heroes are pretty bad IMO), it would be rather wierd to take Shiro in to fight himself in Imperial Sanctum or Gate of Madness.

/don't care

Skyy High · Mar 25, 2008, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Wow...that makes no sense at all. Even if Shiro was originally corrupted by Abaddon, the events of Factions and NF indicate that he is plenty evil on his own by this point. Killing random civilians and using them as your deformed servants is not cool man, nor is sucking the life energy out of someone so you can be mortal again. If he wanted to be redeemed, he would have just been a good little envoy like the others; but no, he wanted revenge and power.

And BTW, we kill the fortune teller demon who corrupted him...and then later fought him in Gate of Madness anyway. Seems like he was acting of his own free will at that point.

MithranArkanere · Mar 25, 2008, 10:34 PM // 22:34

He was prideful, but not 'evil'.

Why was him in the Domain of Madness? When a spirit is corrupted it no longer chooses, it only... goes bananas.

Fear Me! · Mar 27, 2008, 04:58 AM // 04:58

I've read through the many replies. There are some people who would like to redeem a fallen hero like Shiro, but then others don't want him because he's a sin, and then others only if he comes with his boss skills. What if after you redeem Shiro, you instead receive an item that can summon him as he is with all his boss skills as an npc helper to the party; he'll stay with you even if you die, and he himself ressurects with the party much like the EOTN quest npc's, but leaves once you zone? You could summon him via an item much like the black moa chick quest; a box that requires materials to sacrifice to summon him. There would be a total boss npc limit of one of course, you can't have all party members summon eight Shiros. It could go something like 'sacrifice however many ectos anet deems appropriate to justify a boss npc summons'. As for the mention of Kilroy Stonekin, you could use the same item, but you must place for example, ten level 5 alcohols in there in order for him to show. What do you guys think?

Widowmaker · Mar 27, 2008, 05:13 AM // 05:13

/signed because I like Shiro

I spent the whole of Factions wanting to side with him anyway....

MithranArkanere · Mar 27, 2008, 01:24 PM // 13:24

Anyways, you'll probably won't get Shiro himself as he is when we fight him, just a 'weakened copy'.

The best example is Sarevok in Baldur's Gate II:Throne of Bhaal.

He is no loner what he was before, and you can even turn him into your alignment (I turned most evil party members into good or neutral ones while playing, XD)

pumpkin pie · Jun 08, 2009, 04:40 AM // 04:40

no use getting another hero if the heroes slots are limited to 3

Kook~NBK~ · Jun 08, 2009, 05:11 AM // 05:11

/not signed.

Another hero (of any profession) would be a waste of time to incorporate into the game.

Shayne Hawke · Jun 08, 2009, 01:21 PM // 13:21

I would have no problem with adding heroes to bring any groups with only two up to three - Mesmer, Ritualist, Assassin, Dervish, and Paragon. I'm not begging for this though, because as long as there are three Necros, I'm pretty much not inclined to use much else.

MagmaRed · Jun 08, 2009, 01:59 PM // 13:59

Over a year between posts.... gotta love thread necros. I'd like an additional Mez, Sin, Rit, and Para hero, but not Shiro. Shiro is too involved in the story to make into a hero that makes any sense.